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Senza dire con chi lo stavo facendo, pubblico un discorso che ho fatto con un giovane avvocato di Belgrado. In realtà sono degli stralci, solo i brani più significativi, ma direi, alquanto sconvolgenti !
Hi, Lina,
Nice to meet you.
Considering Kosovo-I stand for recognition of Kosovo by Serbia and I agree with the independence of Kosovo, because of crimes committed by Serbian forces on Albanians during appartheid during Milosevic's office.
Kosova is an independent state and should be recognised by Serbia.
Btw, personally, I do not give a shit for Kosova and Kosova Serbs, they deserved everything happening to them, because they were supporting Milosevic's appartheid on Albanians during nineties and they have been allowing to Serbian authorities to manipulate them for long time, instead of trying to integrate into Kosova society.
"Patriotism. is the last resort of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
You can't forget Serbian appartheid on Albanians and Serbian aggressions and occupations of Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina either.;)
"Patriotism. is the last resort of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
It is not Krajina, it is Croatia.
Serbs in so-called Republic of Srpska Krajina were abused by Slobodan Milosevic and his regime, and they occupied Croatia.
The Storm (Oluja) action was a consequence and it was the Croatian intervention of liberation from Serbian occupation and aggression.
Of course, many civilians were killed, but the very intervention was justifiable big time.
Because it was not Croatia which attacked Serbia, it was Serbia, whose forces committed aggression on Croatia and occupation of it.
Don't let great Serbian nationalists manipulate you.
"Patriotism. is the last resort of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
Serbian boy in Beograde
E poi il discorso è ripreso !
Io cercavo ogni cosa potesse ricordarmi la Serbia, ma.....
Novak Djokovic is not my cup of tea, I support Ivan Ljubicic, Marin Chilich, Marat Safin, Roger Federer, Rafa Nadal, Nicholas Kiefer and James Blake.
Novak serbs it too much.
no ..
sam na podu..
I need umjetan disati
you shoot as a revolver to me about federer and nadal..
you are serbian
you can't say this !!
Lina
Yes, I do support Federer and Nadal.
I am a citizen of Serbia and a Serb, but, above all, I am a human being, who is aware of his freedom of choice.
Novak Djokovic is not and has never been my cup of tea.;)
I am sorry..
I like him because he is very nice and he also does many things for serbia (and for kosovo)
and cavic ??
do you like him ?
Lina
He is a primitive nationalist.
And Kosovo had been independent nine years before it declared its independence.
Independence of Kosovo is a consequence of war criminal policy of Milosevic's regime and I stand for Serbian recognition of Kosovo independence.
Kosovo is a neighbour of Serbia, not its heart.
stop u, molim te
you put a nozina in my stomak
and in politic, I am in the left part..
but I think that serbia can't forget enclavi in kosovo to enter in ue
ue is sranje... italia there is into and we haven't good things
lina
I do not like Cavic either.
Serbia must accept its responsibility for crimes committed by its forces, independence of Kosovo represents reducing of Serbia to its proper size and should be recognised by Serbia.
The enclaves are the result of great Serbian nationalism and political abuse of Kosova Serbs, who, due to being manipulated by Serbian ... authorities, do not want to integrate into Kosova society.The EU is not perfect at all, but it is the best way of integration of European countries into one supra-national organization, without borders and with unique market.
oh.. how much I am desparated for my disaster in foreign languages !!!
how much I would like to speak now with you in italian !!!
I went to many meetings..
in 1999 I was in front of tv thinking that serbians are bad
but 2.880 hours of tv to uveriti us for this...
you have reason only in a litlle space
but war with croatia and bosnia started because :
you kill one serbian and kriv is one croatian
you kill one croatian and kriv is one serbian
and bbbooooooommmmmmmm
play is done !!
kosovo is boonsteel mafia and uranio
is not serbia is not albania
only amerika use to do the war to ue and russia
and is a door for drug and army for ue
lina
I do not speak Italian, but intend to learn it.
The war in former Yugoslavia began because of great Serbian nationalism and Serbia's wishes to expand its territory.
Considering the intervention of NATO-not only were they entitled to intervene inYugoslavia, but they were obliged to intervene, due to having reached and having been applying democracy and human rights protection standard.
Ma u. postovanje ljudskih prava je za one koji nisu culi za bolje...
M.S. (This is another boy)
jos I can't believe about you said today to me
you are the first that say me that kosovo isn't the heart of serbia
I am italian and for me kosovo is serbia
also for onu (resolution 144)
and king lazar.. and old story? and turkish ?
and ko da mi otme moje duze kosovo ?
and uck ? and haradinaj ?
kako ti zaboravis ?
Lina
OMG, don't fall on great Serbian mythomania.
Btw, duke Lazar has been dead for over 6 centuries.
I do not hold Kosova in my soul at all, I simply don't give a damn, I prefer traveling without visas within the EU to thinking of an insignificant piece of land.
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bhe..... il ragionamento non fa una piega."Visto che lo hanno fatto a me, allora lo posso fare anch'io..."In questo modo si possono giustificare tutte le guerre di questo mondo e qualsiasi azione non inerente alla guerre stesse.Quindi ora, per lo stesso ragionamento, potrei tornare in Croazia adinfoibare nuovamente i croati perché lo hanno fatto a noi (perché noi lo avevamo fatto prima.. etc etc....)Mi fermo qui con i commenti....Questa gente non merita nemmeno una risposta.....
R.
questo ragazzo è un bravissimo ragazzo, ma che un serbo dica "kosova", mi risuona matematicamente impossibile..
Lina, This "serbian" person is a joke! he's probably one of your albanian enemies that is making fun of you!
It's simply not possible that a Serb writes bullshit like that.
If I would have the power i would send him a visa and a one way ticket and kick this "albanian" out of Serbia!
ih ! ih!
unfortunately he is really a serbian boy, but I think that he was born in kosovo and maybe the mother isn't serbian
anyway he and all serbia will see what ue is very soon
in that day we will do another time this speach !
they never went out and they think that in ue money are on the trees...
poor people when they will look the reality !
but will be a nice day for us..
because we will jump in serbia and because we love serbia, we will save it !!
ih ! ih!
napred serbia !!
@ Sajkaca: I am aware that lot of people in Serbia think exactly the same as that boy. Many of them have one or both parents of other nationality, that's true, but also many Serbs think alike. I don't know reason for that - maybe lack of history knowledge and memory; maybe influence of propaganda; maybe some kind of chronic fatigue of poor life style in Serbia; maybe all of these reasons or some other personal ones.
But, the truth is - we have some extreme nationalists, luckily most of them only on words who invite to war, to crimes, to killing everyone but Serbs. It is sad that these are mostly young people, good thing is that they are just brave in their stupid speeches.
The other ones are not interested at all for anything outside Belgrade or Vojvodina (most of them also for Vojvodina out of Serbia); they want to be "part" of EU, of the world, they are willing to knee and ask for merci, for leftovers from the "rich west". They proclaimed themselves for guilty ones without guilt. I think that boy is from that group. These ones make us worse than we are, in order to please "the big players".
The minority, the most reasonable ones, are tired of everything, they have Kosovo and even Krajina in their hearts, they want better life and know that they deserve it, but have no strength to be loud, to be heard, to say:"We are honest people, we want to work and live on our work, we want to live in OUR country, we like all the people around us and want for us only what everybody else wants for themselves, not less,not more." But, no one likes moderate, non extreme people, no one pay attention to the normal people and that brought us into a "circulus viciosus".
Extremes are good excuse for all sorts of games played with our country and our people. I mean - both kinds of extremes.
@ Sajkaca: I am aware that lot of people in Serbia think exactly the same as that boy. Many of them have one or both parents of other nationality, that's true, but also many Serbs think alike. I don't know reason for that - maybe lack of history knowledge and memory; maybe influence of propaganda; maybe some kind of chronic fatigue of poor life style in Serbia; maybe all of these reasons or some other personal ones.
But, the truth is - we have some extreme nationalists, luckily most of them only on words who invite to war, to crimes, to killing everyone but Serbs. It is sad that these are mostly young people, good thing is that they are just brave in their stupid speeches.
The other ones are not interested at all for anything outside Belgrade or Vojvodina (most of them also for Vojvodina out of Serbia); they want to be "part" of EU, of the world, they are willing to knee and ask for merci, for leftovers from the "rich west". They proclaimed themselves for guilty ones without guilt. I think that boy is from that group. These ones make us worse than we are, in order to please "the big players".
The minority, the most reasonable ones, are tired of everything, they have Kosovo and even Krajina in their hearts, they want better life and know that they deserve it, but have no strength to be loud, to be heard, to say:"We are honest people, we want to work and live on our work, we want to live in OUR country, we like all the people around us and want for us only what everybody else wants for themselves, not less,not more." But, no one likes moderate, non extreme people, no one pay attention to the normal people and that brought us into a "circulus viciosus".
Extremes are good excuse for all sorts of games played with our country and our people. I mean - both kinds of extremes.
a perfect speach ksenja
in my opinion "poor man" who touches me serbia
and more : "poor man" who touches me NOLE !!!
and dead man who touches me CAVIC'
I advise people friends and not
ih! ih!
"@ Sajkaca: I am aware that lot of people in Serbia think exactly the same as that boy."
Lot of Serbians don't think like that boy. But there is some "Serbians" who think like him.
Unfortunately there is a lot of people who don't know Serbian history.
@Ksenija and Brasch: Thank you for explanations, I know, there are always some extremists. In this case I wonder if this boy ever was in a Western country, and had to earn a living in his beloved EU, he would then probably remember his own history and feel sorry that he licked the Western "dupe" and admitted mistakes his country didn't make.
Personally I think that Serbia can make it very well without waiting for the leftovers of the "rich West" that soon will not be so rich anymore!
:-)
Mmh.
No sarebbe troppo lunga e domani parto.
Ma se depuri le parti volutamente provocatorie ("non me ne frega niente dei serbi che vivono in kosovo") è abbastanza rappresentativo di ciò che pensano in Serbia.
I rifugiati dalla Bih, dalla Krajina e dal Kosovo dove li fanno vivere?
E tutte le balle sulla culla della civiltà e sui monasteri.. in Serbia le chiese cadono a pezzi, San Sava a Bg è un cantiere da vent'anni...
La realtà è che certe posizioni fanno comodo a certi politici, come da noi.
E il problema vero, le condizioni dei serbi rimasti un kosovo, e il fatto che non vivono in uno stato di diritto (quello che invece sta divenendo - seppur a fatica - la serbia) nessuno lo affronta.
E gli albanesi del kosovo hanno gli stessi problemi, cioè vivere in un failed state alla mercè del crimine organizzato ed ora istituzionalizzato.
Del Kosovo frega davvero a molti in Serbia?
Lascio la domanda in sospeso ma in dieci anni di pellegrinaggi un'idea me la sono fatta...
Ci sentiamno quando torno.
Se torno ;)
pensa che questo ragazzo è un'amicizia che abbiamo in comune tu e io beppe
e se non torni.. ti raggiungiamo volentieri!!!
srecan put !
Today, nobady can be born as a Serb. Living in Serbia dosn't meen that you are a Serb. If your parent's are Serb's that doesn't meen that you are the Serb. You must try hard to become a Serb. You must respect life and fredom. You must stand still and proud when thay try to put you on your knise. You must fight for truth even if whole world belive in lies about you.
You must forgive, but you must not ever FORGET!!!
http://www.kosovoliberationarmy.com/
thank you so much ivan,
but I thing that you must search everything with the peace
I think that kosovo is serbia too
but justice without army,please
questa frase l'ha scritta un mio amico militare
"the world is falling apart....coraption mainly...but the problem is that sometimes...if one side tries to speak for peace again and again and the other side use military...force....somethimes speaking is useles..."
dear U.
look for this
http://adrenola.blogspot.com/2009/05/kosovo-dispute-false-sence-of-democracy.html
Kosovo is a land of our grand fathers. It is our sanctuary, our heart!
Ana
Dear friend,
how can you call yourself a SERB? It's not a delaration of origin. It is not your birth certificate which can determine if you are Serb or not. Even Albanians from Kosovo (not Kosova) are Serbs than. They are indeed Serbs, with Albanian origin.
In your post, you did not, not once demonstrated that you are Serbian. In addition, I think that you are very young and poisoned by natonalistic Albanian stratgy of web attacks against Serbian commuity. More over, this kind of acusations and statements I AHE NEVER HEARD FROM SERBIANS, just from Albanians trying t sell their attitude to the world, representing themselves as Serbians.
So, nice try! But you need much more to fool me!
thank you so much Ana !!
serbs that I know defend their land, they love their land, they love nole and cavic
it's the same as in italy I listen : padania
what is padania ?
I love my nation and I defend my nation and I love my "inno nazionale"
napred srbija i kosovo
I hope that borders will open , so this boy will go out and doesn't destroy serbia
Ho letto con attenzione il tuo testo... Io sono Serba, adoro Nole, mi piace Cavic, 1e cose che questo ragazzo ha detto sono davvero per un certo verso raccapriccianti....però, a me dispiace per questo che dirò adesso, e spero non mi prendete male, ma io ritengo che la colpa per la situazione in Kosovo è assolutamente il frutto della politica sbagliata del governo serbo dagli anni 90 in su. Cosa effettivamente ha fatto Serbia, sia per la gente giù, sia per mantenere la pokraina serba? Nulla. Per anni non se n'è parlato. Nel '89 Milosevic lo usò per rinforzare il proprio potere, e non credo perché tenesse alla gente. Poi, non scappiamo dalle proprie responsabilità,anche i nostri soldati nel 99 fecero casino giù. Ho dei parenti che facevano parte dell'armia jugoslava, che senza vergogna hanno raccontato cosa facevano, e mostrato le cose rubate alle famiglie albanesi che espellevano dalle proprie case. Poi, quelli serbi che avevano i soldi sono venuti in Serbia vendendo le loro case proprio agli albanesi, e parlo del periodo del 89 in poi, quelli poveri erano rimasti in Kosovo. Non dimentico gli UCK, molti albanesi erano contrari e lo dico perché ho degli amici albanesi kosovari che hanno studiato con me. Entrambe le parti hanno fatto dei crimini, non è giusto dare la colpa solo agli albanesi o ai Serbi stessi, come fa questo ragazzo. Poi siamo arrivati all'indipendenza, ingiusta per uni,sbagliata per altri e siamo entrati in un vicolo cieco dell'odio reciproco, alle porte del 21 secolo dove bisognerebbe unire e non dividere la gente, quando una UE si sta per allargare, la stessa EU che ha fatto poco per fermare la guerra nei Balcani.... Kosovo era una volta la parte della Serbia, anche se mi duole ammetterlo,. ormai non lo è più, nonostante tutte belle parole del presidente Tadic... Vorrei sbagliare, vorrei che aveste ragione voi, ma ho paura che ormai non ci resta che accettare la situazione.
il piu' bel e il piu' equilibrato commento che ho letto.. brava emy !
lina
Facile pensarla cosi, stando in occidente e guardare la situazione da spettatore.
Che ce ne frega a noi, se il Kosmet si riempe di MacDonalds e ne Albanesi ne Serbi si ritroveranno più la loro cultura e le loro radici. Tanto l'UE e l'USA ci hanno convinto che il Kosmet è perso e nessuno si mette piu di mezzo ad ostacolare le imprese americane a trasformare la provincia in uno stato marionetta.
La propaganda più perfida è quella dell "unire" invece di "dividere"...dietro parole belle e dolci ci sta dietro l'idea di pretendere di essere tutti uguali, di pensarla tutti uguali e di essere tutti insieme un grande bel paese globale ....e nessuno deve più pensare a vecchie tradizioni, religioni e guerre...perchè sono cose brutte che fanno litigare!
Grazie Lina.
Caro Anonimo, perché non hai coraggio e non ti firmi? Parli delle tradizioni e delle radici.. Dici è facile parlare vivendo in occidente..Io non vedo nessuna barriera qui, in Occidente, sono circondata non soltanto dagli Italiani, ma anche dagli stranieri. Ognuno con proprie tradizioni che vanno rispettate. Che facciamo? Chiudiamo le frontiere dappertutto, facciamo la pulizia etnica, vergogniamoci da quelli che hanno voluto la UE, facciamo gli stati etnicamente e tradizionalmente puri. Vorresti dire questo? Io credo che sarebbe brutto se fossimo tutti uguali,e quando ho detto unire, pensavo unire e non dividere i popoli, ma non cancellare le proprie radici. Imparare uni dagli altri, non litigare. Non dimenticare il passato, ma imparare dagli errori fatti in passato. Però sono d'accordo con te, caro anonimo, quando parli del globalismo del tipo economico, ma non è lo stesso Mcdonalds presente ovunque? Anche in Paesi sviluppati, come qui in Italia, è solo un esempio, ma non vedo che è riuscito a togliere qualcosa al cibo tipico, quello tradizionale. I tempi purtroppo cambiano, non dico che bisogna dimenticare il passato, e lo sottolineo, ma bisogna andare avanti, coscienti di quelle radici, cercando di migliorare questo mondo che ci circonda.
mi e piaciuto l'opinione di questa ragazza,ha deto delle cose vere....
volevo chiederti una cosa...puoi chiedere ai tuoi amici serbi che cosa facevano quando la kosova era attaccata da il loro esercito all'inizio?
oltre ad andare ai concerti che si facevano per dimostrare al popolo serbo che non ere niente di qui preocuparsi,che non stava succedondo niente!!!!
per una cosa mi viene da ridere quando ho sentito che gli cantanti
che non andavano ad fare il concerto erano obligati ad andare in guerra....
ti saluto ernest
la verità sta nel mezzo
in kosovo c'è l'hotel aviano e i serbi stanno morendo nelle enclavi..
se per salvare gli albanesi abbiamo bombardato 78 giorni, ora non c'è nessuno che pensa alla sofferenza dei serbi e forse non è la ue che ci deve pensare visto che quando si muove fa solo danni..
ma chi lo dovrebbe fare ????
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